Prometheus 6

it's worse than that..., take a look at their minister of informations' "blog" this little twenty-something two-bit STL hustler been trying to recruit on the black conservative yahootian list for a month of sundays now..., weak as hell. I'm constantly pestering Cobb about where are the strong black thinkers and doers in the republican party? If the tent is so big, why is it utterly and institutionally intolerant of any visible free-thinking or black partisan voices? It's sad to to have to report another self-promoting outbreak of podpeeple-ism among yet another knot of self-hating kneegrows, sold-out skinfolk are a dime a dozen nowadays..., expect nothing of consequence...,

Yeah.

"The only way to succeed is to vote for the party whose platform deliberately ignores your interests."

That makes LOTS of sense. 

I wish I was twenty years old again!  As usual, critics never actually read what you write or go the source of their criticism. If you had, you would have known that I'm a little past a twenty something. Talking without knowledge, isn't that the definition of a fool? Thanks again for the complement.

CA 

"The NBRA stresses 'strong families, personal responsibility, quality education and hard work'."

Does anyone recall having heard or read about a time in the black community either before or after Emancipation when "strong families, personal responsibility, education and hard work" were not held in high regard by people of African descent?

"We have witnessed the experiment of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society programs of the 1960's. Though a noble cause, these programs have unintentionally created a permanent underclass."

Yes, it is true that a rising tide doesn't lift all boats but prior to the creation of the Great Society's programs the objective economic and financial situation for black people in this country was far, far worse. One of the little noted or understood accomplshments of the Great Society, for example, was that it offered a way for many, many hundreds, if not thousands of college educated and trained blacks to find gainful employment at the municipal, state and federal level that was actually commensurate with their education and training. Many blacks in this group were subsequently able to use their experience in these various government programs to make the transition into private sector employment. I would imagine that more than a handful of these blacks are the parents of a lot of these so-called neo-black Republicans.

"The consequences of the Great Society has created conditions of teen pregnancy being too high, and too many of our young black men turning to a life of crime and drug abuse."

This is ridiculous. The writer apparently knows little about the path of drug addiction or the factors that cause young girls to engage in risky sexual behavior.

"These chronic problems are shouting for new leadership and new solutions. The NBRA will address those problems by supporting and electing African American candidates, who support our traditional and faith based values."

If every black person in the United States joined the Republican Party tomorrow the problems listed above will not go away.

Between these fools and the Democratic Party what is we to do?

I wish I was twenty years old again! As usual, critics never actually read what you write or go the source of their criticism.

Oops!

Having glanced at your picture, and correlated it with the level of discourse occurring on your blog..., my bad. It's really tragic to find out that at the fully grown age of 39, you haven't yet made it into either the black partisan or strong thinker category.

Now I'd hazard a guess that you're not about to stick around here and have your viewpoints or the efforts or NBRA carefully scrutinized...,

If every black person in the United States joined the Republican Party tomorrow the problems listed above will not go away.

If every black person in the United States joined the Republican Party tomorrow you would not go away either. It doesn't change what we believe.

The questions are:

1. Do you see any common interest that concern Black folks?
2. If so and you're not working on them, why call yourself a Black organization?
3. If not, why call yourself a Black organization?

I think that black republicans are on the same kind of margin as black nationalists were on. We share in common a desire to take the deliverables of the Civil Rights movement to the next level. To the extent that there were always Blacks who felt themselves held back by Negroes, there is a kind of radical vanguard in today's black conservatives, moreso by the neocons than by the Christian Right. But the effect is the same. Some of us have a plan and we wish you would all get on board, but we know that everyone won't.

I think today's black republicans and conservatives are more realistic in that regard than yesterdays nationalists and pan africanists. We recognize that the success of our movement does not require conversion of the entire race. Because of that hedge, I think we're more willing to engage in sharp debate and say to hell with those who disagree.

So I for one am quite ready to acknowledge that everybody doesn't want to or is not prepared to get with the program, and that there is a conflict of interests between Dem and GOP programs. But think of it this way - when you are talking to highschool graduates. Some of them are going to college, some to the service, and some to the blue and pink color workforce. The same prescription is not going to work for them all. I'm saying the Republican agenda is like college, and you keep telling me that the majority of highschool graduates are not college material. That's immaterial to the value of college.

Since I would then be part of the group that you are trying to recruit to join the GOP why would you ever want me to go away?

I'm saying the Republican agenda is like college, and you keep telling me that the majority of highschool graduates are not college material.

No, Michael. I'm saying the Republican agenda militates against...not just doesn't support, but militates against...the interests of the majority of Black folk. And one chooses to align with them, or to deny that fact, with the full knowledge it is true.

Cobb and DW share an ordinary waking state which effectively masks something with which we seem unable to reconcile our own ordinary waking state.

The real problem is not too much multiculturalism but too little. If the diversity now ghettoised on the margins of western societies - geographically and psychologically - were truly allowed to migrate to the centres, it might infuse public life in the west with a powerful new humanism.

from the Kline article quoted on the Not Yet thread. Do you suppose that with enough drugs in your system, that you could more easily reconcile yourself to the neuropolity for which each/both serve as highly effective and sincere apologists?

Or would you consider this neoconservative neuropolity a de-evolutionary trajectory - even absent foreknowledge of its inevitable demise.

Yeah right. Show me a Senate Bill.

Show me a Senate Bill with the stated purpose of shifting power permanently to the Republican Party.

You're not naive, Cobb...or did you not just do that "checkered past" post?

Here's one,

and I believe we'd need only dredge up that saccharine paean to the civilizing and uplifting virtues of servitude that Mr. Bowen put up at Cobb in response to how his heartstrings had been plucked by Alfred..,

I tried to link an audio file of Rochester saying "Goodnight Mr. Benny!" to that post, but the gods of the web conspired against me...,

cobb: what's with the revisionist history of nationalists and pan-africanists. come on maaan, this time warp stuff that is tractor-beamed on the 60's ignores foundational minds like walker (david, not alice), delany, blyden, williams (sylvester), and others...these men were under no illusions about the condition of the collective they represented - nor the short odds against which they operated. shortsightedness to make a point is hardly becoming of you - or Alfred. why you frontin' like that?

"Time warp stuff"?

Pray, elucidate. 

timewarpstuff---as in the idea that "black nationalism" or "black identity politics" is a creation of the 60's or that our self-identification as black or african is a product of the 60's...http://www.mdcbowen.org/cobb/archives/004377.html...check this link to pick up on the discussion on cobb's blog... these types of comments beyond the bounds of our lived history only serve to energize and enliven conservo-publican appeals to reject black folk collaborating to serve black folk vs. collaborating to get votes for the elephant (even one with long ivory tusks - NBRA style) or the donkey. if we deal with walker, delany, crummell, blyden, lumumba, etc. on their terms, in their contexts, the relevance of their approach to persistent issues will be self-evident and render much of the residual conservo-noise to dust...the tendons of identity are stronger and longer than cobb might have us believe. locking nationalism in the 60's positions it as a hyper-late reactionary, emotional approach to white force/power...rather than a progressive approach to long-standing awareness of physical-economic-political impositions shared by a collective for over several centuries. simply, it's absurd and self-negating.

you gotta be kidding me with the logo...if this (new party) is about inclusion and being part of the republic-and bolstering the party (getting votes for the party vs. getting services to the peeples), why set your self apart with a depiction of a clearly african depiction of the symbol of the gop...wassup with the tusks?? is this some covert appeal to identity politics - how does this correlate to positions this group holds regarding linkages between africa and black america? are there any to speak of or is this simply the meandering of a graphic designer feeling hissef or hersef a bit too much? holla back, i might have to join if the tusks are pointing in the "right" direction.

Cobb said: "I think today's black republicans and conservatives are more realistic in that regard than yesterdays nationalists and pan africanists. We recognize that the success of our movement does not require conversion of the entire race."

The only movement led by black republicans is the mad dash to kiss white republican asses in exchange for a few crumbs off the table of white supremacy. Boy just want to get paid. That's all. There's nothing new here, no new calling, no new ideas, only the same old handkerchief-head, whut's-the-matter-boss-we-sick?-mentality that some house kneegros have used for centuries to maintain their positions as gatekeepers on the big American plantation. 

The term "black conservative" is an oxymoron. Those who imbibe the kool aid such a label implies deserve the fate that awaits them when they have outlived their usefulness. They are deluding themselves to think they will be genuine players, rather than minstrel show freaks, in the neo-con-crypto-fascist regime that is now taking center stage.