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Prometheus 6

All respect and no restraint

What we're gonna do right here is go back...WAY back...back into time...


Cherokees, along with Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks and Seminoles, were long known as the "Five Civilized Tribes" because they adopted many of the ways of their white neighbors in the South, including the holding of black slaves.

Many of the Cherokees' slaves accompanied the tribe when it was expelled from its traditional lands in North Carolina and Georgia and forced to migrate in 1838 and 1839 to Indian Territory, in what is now Oklahoma. Thousands of Cherokees died during the trip, which became known as the "Trail of Tears." It is not known how many of their slaves also perished.

The tribe fought for the Confederacy. In defeat, it signed a federal treaty in 1866 committing that its slaves, who had been freed by tribal decree during the war, would be absorbed as citizens of the Cherokee Nation.

Cherokee Nation To Vote on Expelling Slaves' Descendants
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 3, 2007; A01

VINITA, Okla. -- J.D. Baldridge, 73, has official government documents showing him to be a descendant of a full-blood Cherokee. He has memories of a youth spent among Cherokee neighbors and kin, at tribal stomp dances and hog fries. He holds on to a fair amount of Cherokee vocabulary. " Salali," Baldridge says, his face creasing into a smile at the word. "Squirrel stew. Oh, that was good."

What Baldridge, a retired Oklahoma county sheriff, also has is at least one black ancestor, a former slave of a Cherokee family. That could get Baldridge cast out of the tribe, along with thousands of others.

The 250,000-member Cherokee Nation will vote in a special election today whether to override a 141-year-old treaty and change the tribal constitution to bar "freedmen," the descendants of former tribal slaves, from being members of the sovereign nation.

"It's a basic, inherent right to determine our own citizenry. We paid very dearly for those rights," Cherokee Principal Chief Chad Smith said in an interview last month in Oklahoma City....

Advocates of expelling the freedmen call it a matter of safeguarding tribal resources, which include a $350 million annual budget from federal and tribal revenue, and Cherokees' share of a gambling industry that, for U.S. tribes overall, takes in $22 billion a year. The grass-roots campaign for expulsion has given heavy play to warnings that keeping freedmen in the Cherokee Nation could encourage thousands more to sign up for a slice of the tribal pie.

"Don't get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry," Darren Buzzard, an advocate of expelling the freedmen, wrote last summer in a widely circulated e-mail denounced by freedmen. "Don't let black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTER[S] . . . FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION."...

 

Lets see; kenneth eng

Lets see; kenneth eng slamming us, Black / ethnic cleansing in the harbor view area of LA by hispanics of the mexican persuasion, and now this group of indians don't want us "sucking" the few pennies the original vacuums of this land has allowed them to have. For me, all of these occurrences are making 'things' very clear. What's next?

I guess the notion, "that there are no permanent friends or enemies, but indeed, permanent interest" is grounded in real life politics!

Yeah, but you really need to

Yeah, but you really need to let go of eng. He's even less significant than the free weekly he (used to) write for.

Reparations

I guess the Cherokee would not be interested in making any reparations payments to the descendants of their former slaves either. Laughing

It seems the cherokees voted

It seems the cherokees voted to pass  the measure that disenfranchise the Blacks of their nation, which number upwards to 45,000, now what?

The Blacks may now have a federal case that could jeopardized the sovereign nation status of these racist, and serious case for reparations to be made. Meanwhile, I personally those Blacks so effected by the vote should now open liquors en mass. What seems so blatant about the issue is that according to the NYT report I read you could be blond haired and blue eyes and have one drop of cherokee blood and could considered a cherokee. But no such love, at a minimum, for the children of 'mixed race'? ( meaning Black and indian)

Yeah I'll let go of eng, but

Yeah I'll let go of eng, but I think keto in a previous post really touch on something that I have ruminated about for a longtime in the relationship between blacks and Asians in the US.

The idea though, of indians paying the descendants of their slaves reparations sounds truly insightful and worth pursuing. I hope it's followed up. Hell, I might be in that class also.

Further I'm a descendant of

Further I'm a descendant of folks who fought in the so called Buffalo Soldier regiments. Now I have to look at their service in a whole new light considering what I have since discovered about the indian role in sustaining and partaking the enslavement of our folks on this soil to the extent they did.

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