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He's not Black and he's not a woman

I noticed when John Edwards began his poverty tour that he was speaking to the insecurities of Southern white men.

It's just possible Edwards has the only campaign that can get votes from Southern white men.

Then came that Esquire Magazine cover . And yesterday the most interesting Freudian Slip in presidential political history (which you will see if YouTube ever loads)

I actually don't mind he general approach to this. I'm not hearing code talk about how it will all be wonderful if we suppress the naygurs. I'm hearing Edwards speaking of their issues in their language (I'm assuming Bob Schieffer's word choice was a slip of the tongue).

At times, the Edwards campaign has shown signs of frustration that his being a white man isn't earning him points when the news media handicap the contest. His wife, Elizabeth, caused a stir last month when she observed that "we can't make John black, we can't make him a woman" and that "those things get you a lot of press."

Though some of the rhetoric remains kind of raggedy from my perspective, I don't think it constitutes a gaff.

Pinning Hopes On Rural Voters
Campaign of Edwards, a Southerner, Sees an Advantage With White Men
By Anne E. Kornblut
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 27, 2007; A04

BERLIN, N.H. -- When a woman in the crowd shouted a question about education testing here on Saturday, former senator John Edwards made a casual farming quip.

"You don't make a hog fatter by weighing it," he said, meaning that constantly testing children does not make them smarter.

The line was, Edwards acknowledged, borrowed from a friend. But it reflected a persistent subtext of the Edwards campaign: the argument that he is the sole Southern Democrat and cultural conservative in the Democratic presidential field, making him the only top-tier candidate in his party who can appeal easily to white men.

In polls here and almost everywhere but Iowa, Edwards has lagged behind Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y) and Barack Obama (Ill.) from the outset of the marathon campaign. He has tried to provide a spark to his campaign with an increasingly sharp message that tends toward the liberal end of the spectrum on issues -- pounding away at corporate greed, calling for a revived union movement, promising universal health care and skewering President Bush.

Yet in a long tour over the weekend across a wide swath of the New Hampshire countryside -- by no means an Edwards stronghold -- he drew curious voters, almost all older and white, who said they either dislike Clinton and Obama or worry that neither can win.

In the small northern town of Berlin, one Republican woman who attended his town hall meeting said she prefers Edwards over all other candidates in both parties; he looks like her son, Bill, she said, and she liked the way he spoke. In Merrimack, farther south, a 63-year-old independent came to what he said was his first political event to complain about politicians -- and walked away saying he will consider voting for Edwards but no other Democrat.

Edwards, after initially pitching himself as the most viable candidate in Southern and Midwestern states, now avoids talking about his demographic appeal in speeches and forums. Asked about the subject in an earlier debate, Edwards said emphatically that he would not want support from anyone voting on the basis of racial or gender prejudice. He has been careful not to suggest aloud that the country is too sexist or racist to elect Clinton or Obama in a general election.

Rather, Edwards is casting himself as the candidate of rural voters, someone who understands the plight and values of family farmers (especially powerful in Iowa) and who could do in a general election what he argues Clinton and Obama could not: attract culturally conservative voters in states such as Virginia, voters who consider gun ownership an important right and aren't thrown by his drawl.

How do you see Edwards as

How do you see Edwards as being different from Clinton whose ability to attract support from the black community was legendary but whose actual policy decisions constituted an extension of the agenda set by Ronald Reagan?  Also where do you think his policies stand in comparison with those of white, southern, Democratic presidents Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter?        

ubstu34:  In my mind the

ubstu34: 

In my mind the two parties to American politics are the American Solid South and everyone else. I believe both Clinton and Edwards are members of the A.S.S. party. I don't recall Clinton actually promising Black folks anything, Edwards is campaigning to Southern rural white males so that nets to no promises. Clinton got a boost from Black folks just by not being Reagan. The Democratic candidate will get a boost by not being Bush. I think the biggest difference is, Black folks are more cynical about the political performances. A lot of us are aware Clinton's terms didn't turn out the way many expected. Edwards also doesn't have anyone foolish enough to call him Black.

Carter's Presidency is hard for me to judge. The Iran hostage crisis (and Reagan's interferance  in it for political reasons) looms so large at the end there as to block one's view of the previous stuff. I think he'd have been judged differently if the helicopter hadn't crashed during the rescue operation he ordered. And I have to beg off on Johnson due to not being political at all that far back. My Johnson era memories were about brothers coming home from Viet Nam (individually) and special pleasure at seeing want-ads that said "We are an equal opportunity employer" because of him.

However history judges LBJ

He gave Black folk the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act. For the debacle in Vietnam, which we, as a community opposed, he couldn't get a second term.

Right. And that speech at

Right. And that speech at Howard, where he said white folks had to act affirmatively to undo the effects of racism. And it was promptly twisted.

Johnson is really a

Johnson is really a contradiction in terms.  He demonstrated that the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments could actually mean something in American life, but throughout his life he more often than not deferred to his Southern upbringing.  He only supported civil rights during the latter third of his political career when doing so contributed to his own largess.  One of the biggest mentors and friends in his life was Richard Russell, the leading segregationist in the Senate during Johnson's political career.  From what I have read, Johnson was acutely motivated by his desire to bring white southerners--like himself--into the mainstream of American life which couldn't be achieved until legalized segregation was brought to an end.  Until this was brought about, he felt the North would always look at the South as a national liability and its people as hayseeds.  If the Civil Rights movement had not crossed paths with his own poltical career with the potential to bolster his place in the history books, I am sure that Johnson would have found other avenues to circumvent the social and political divisions separating white northerners and southerners.  In this case, he would not have engaged himself in the cause of civil rights.             

Until this was brought


Until this was brought about, he felt the North would always look at the South as a national liability

He was right. Our little apartheid system was a major rhetorical weakness in the Cold War. 

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