Prometheus 6

The joke was an old white guy speaking "Hip Hop"  Why is Snoop Dogg appearing on Comedy Central anymore or anyless permitted to inlcude "Hip Hop" in stand up routines then Don Imus?   Source: Flav Flavor Roast http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/roast_flavor_flav/index.jhtml

Don Imus is not a racist...

He just says racist things.

Okay. 

Mr. Lipez

You are "bigotry's cheerful enabler". You and those like you who engage in double-speak and fabrication. Josef Stalin is smiling somewhere.

let's see one example of Imus actually saying something seriously racist. Chris Rock, Sarah Silverman, Dave Chapelle, are all in the same boat. Why single out him? Many black shows are full-on racist, a real racist philosophy. Imus is pro-black on many causes: Harold Ford, Sickle Cell, expanded Bishop GE Patterson's audience by millions, played King's speeches repeatedly, always pointed attention to MLK Senior as well. You're really missing it, and Imus' history as an artist, completely.

Mainstream society(MSNBC, NBC, CBS, Al Sharpton, etc.) got this so wrong it's nauseating.

Seems like you probably never watched or listened to the show. If you see the context of Imus' comments, like the "Gwen Ifil/Cleaning Lady" bit during the Reagan years, you might get the humor. Out of context, it's Imus making a lightly racist comment. In context, it's the Reagan administration trying to prove it isn't racist by claiming that it hired "the cleaning lady" to be the reporter. Richard Pryor did an album called "That Nigger's Crazy" in 1974. It won a Grammy for Best Comedy Album. Imus responded with "This Honky's Nuts" a couple months later. If you've ever experienced, imagined, or seen real racism, sorry, this is just not it.

Before you make charges, let's see some actual clips, in context, and then let's discuss.

"Words don’t have any meaning. It’s the meanings that you impart to them.” First Amendment attorney Martin Garbus. Imus is not a racist, he was commenting on Rutgers aggressive style of play in the form of a joke.

You have to be looking for racist references to find them in the context of Don Imus's attempt at a hip (hop?) description of a multi-racial girls' basketball team, whom he was only recognizing at all because of his sportscaster's association with the team. Most would have talked about the champions, not the team who came up short. Having been listening at the time and having had a daughter who played women's basketball in college, I was appreciating the attention they were getting and recognize a compliment when given. Trust me, these women are not delicate flowers and have undoubtedly been exposed to much worse dialogue. I will not bother to expound on why they heard Don's comment in the first place. Seems there are enablers everywhere! Bottom line: I loved "Imus in the Morning". I resent all groups and individuals who decided I should not get to see/hear it. When he returns, I will continue to listen, much more ardently, as I feel there is still much to expose of the sham. One thing is for sure: the I-Nation will be much more judicious in whom we want to hear. Many of your named "enablers" are no longer welcome in my home.

webmaster--- is there a problem with vowel-encoding on this site? Hope you can get it fixed. What browser should I use? Maybe the problem is on my end.

No problem at all. I wrote a filter to devowel posts that are too silly to read.

Some white folks still want to argue about whether or not Don Imus is a racist while never conceding that he repeatedly and frequently says things that only racists say. This is roughly akin to arguing that the thing that makes a summer peach flavorful and delightful to eat are qualities that are not found in the peach but in contemplation about eating a peach.

This is a form of subjectivism that completely denies that there is any objective qualities to the world. It leads to the kind of stupid arguments that hack academic philosophers have about whether two people can catch the same cold. Based on this line of alleged reasoning Don Imus' proclivity for making racist remarks is not proof that he is a racist because racism is only a product of the subjective mind. Black folks only imagined the negative and oppressive consequences of chattle slavery and state sanctioned racial segregation. Mr. Oliver Brown was only imagining things when he decided that his two daughters were harmed by attending racially segregrated schools. Bull Connor was just enforcing the law. He would have treated white people the same if they had tried to cross the Edmund Pettus Bridge without a permit.

White folks never get it? I think they do. They just pretend not to.

and Plantsmantx too.

I have a regular discussion with a Sistafriend of mind. Everytime something ridiculous like this comes up, and we get the patented White Folks Response of 'it's all in your imagination', my routine comment is, ' If Black Folks' minds were THAT imaginative, then hands down, we should be running Hollywood."

 All in our minds- puleeze.

This is really so cute, no vowels, but only in comments YOU don't like or or that YOU don't agree with. Where is my post that I made earlier? It was good but you won't even print it, even vowel-less? Are you not man enough to print an opposing opinion? What are you afraid of? And the "distinguished American media personages" basically are nothing but back-stabbers and Mr. Imus is a much better person than all of them put together. Just blow it up, blow it up into some big issue when there is no issue. So eenie-meenie-minie-mo -- get over yourself. Frankly I think your entire article is silly and your point of view is definitely in the minority. Do you even know what racism is? Racism, pal, is when a black person cannot go into same bathroom as whites, when a black person cannot eat in a white restaurant, when a black person has to go to the back of the bus and can't live in a white neighborhood. And, yes, that was REALITY only about 50 years or less ago. So get a life and tackle some real issue for a change.

1: You don't even have the balls to identify yourself in any way.

2: Because you have nothing new or interesting to say (and you know that...how many times have you written the exact same words?)

Keep it up, though. I can devowel you all night. It's just a checkbox. 

So anyone that doesn't agree with you is silly? So much for open dialogue. I will identify myself as much as I need to. There are only 2 million+ of us. What are you afraid of? Your arguments should stand up against ours if they have any merit.

So anyone that doesn't agree with you is silly?

No, silly people are silly.

So much for open dialogue.

I don't recall offering that.

The problem, Bobbie, is that I've heard and dealt with all your arguments already. I'm not going to repeat them for each and every one of you. Got better things to do.

So when you say something non-repetitious, or I have a reason to answer you (like this time) I may approve your comment when you come in KNOWING your position is anathema to me.

I'm not here to provide you a platform.

I'll concede that Imus used racist language. Now can we have a discussion?

...I don't think it is a matter of denial. Ralph Ellison attributed to the problem to a peculiar disposition of their inner eyes. He assumed that they occupied the same universe that he did. I tend to think that the conscious and unconscious assumption of white supremicist thinking and ideas over many centuries has resulted in them becoming inhabitants of a parallel universe that roughly overlaps the one we live in but contains enough spatial and temporal discontinuities to render them incapable of seeing what we see. Consider, for example, the Jenna Six.

If he continually used racist language then why would need to have a discussion about whether he is a racist or not?

The problem, BurtMP, is that I've heard and dealt with all your arguments already. I'm not going to repeat them for each and every one of you. Got better things to do.

I don't mind the occasional cut and paste job, though.

I've heard every argument that got devoweled. This discussion has been going on for 170+ days. There's nothing either of us can say to surprise the other. The only thing I don't understand is why it's so personally important to you all. Is your entertainment so important that racist language is a-okay, even knowing racist language is socially damaging?

First of all I don't have any balls at all -- none.

Secondly, I guess your words haven't been said before. I guess you think You are so cute with deleting the vowels, Mr. Li-pez. Seems kind of childish to me. But you know what, it's you who wrote about this, nobody asked you to do it. You should at least be man enough to publish all opinions, even if you think they are silly.

I would think since you make writing a business, apparently, that you would be a defender of a person's right to speak and express themselves. Because today it may be Imus who is shut down, but tomorrow it might even be you. It's a very old statement but very true that popular speech doesn't need defending. only unpopular speech. And yet again, I may not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.

I'll bet you really don't have any firsthand knowledge of racism.

Peace.

Anne R. Beard

[P6: Edited to delete her home address, which she rather foolishly left]

I'm not Mr. Lipez. Or Li-pez.

You're not even paying attention.

My bad. I thought you were Mr. Lipez. Sorry. I really should pay more attention.

If you don't want a discussion, fine. Here was your chance to engage and possibly persuade. If the arguments are easy to respond to, print them. Send us to a link where you've written persuasively. Your blog post is just a quote from another article. And, that article is factually incorrect.

Satire can be used to illuminate things. Race is a real part of the landscape of the world. If you can talk about, and joke about it, that can be a healthy thing. Some may not agree with that technique, but you must include Chris Rock and Sarah Silverman and Richard Pryor and many, many others. This is my opinion. It was the opinion of many of Imus's fans, man, woman, black, white, and everthing in between. This is simply one person's opinion. Devowel it if you want. Just because you've seen an argument before, doesn't mean you erase it. There are really very few issues in the world, so you are going to see the same arguments repeatedly.

The following article is about how people only like to hear information that agrees with previously held beliefs. Your readers will need all the letters in this link to access this useful and liberating information:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11009379/

Ethnic and racial humor is one way we break down walls. It can be a good thing.

You can either engage, or devowel. By engaging, maybe you could have taught us something. Instead, you've added strength to our argument.

Obviously what happened in Jena is absolutely hideous. There remain awful people, and sadly there probably always will be. But please don't use one small example and think all white people are the same.

I'm very interested in your thoughts on the fact that Richard Pryor made a Grammy-award winning satire album called "This Nigger's Crazy" and Imus responded with "This Honky's Nuts" --- This was in the idealism of the 1970's, when some talked seriously of racial issues, while comedians did their part with comedy and satire.

From the battle of the vowels, to the hilarious suggestion that you , as a Black man in America, have no firsthand knowledge of racism...

it's been a hoot to read.

the hilarious suggestion that you , as a Black man in America, have no firsthand knowledge of racism...

...by a person too worked up over the need to defend a white person from accusations of racism to even pay attention to whi she is addressing.

Wild.

But it ain't over. BurtMP just dropped the teaching moment of a lifetime right in my lap. Too good to leave in the comments, in fact. 

I'm very interested in your thoughts on the fact that Richard Pryor made a Grammy-award winning satire album called "This Nigger's Crazy"

My wife and I were sitting in the audience the night that this live album was recorded. Pryor's sketches and routines that night don't have anything, anything at all, to do with Don Imus or Imus' schtick. Nothing. If you think they do then you never got Pryor at all.

do i get from the last post that white people don't get richard pryor? did he become as popular as he did with just a black audience? i guess it is possible for two different races to take comedy differently.. but as a young white kid in the 70s.. i found nothing more hilarious than when richard was making fun of white people. i think i got it.

i got richard's point when he told johnny carson that for as famous as he was.. when he walked out of the studio.. he still couldn't get a cab. true racism sucks.

i am guessing most people calling imus racist have never listened to his program. alot of the time the point was to offend people. fat people, unattractive people.. jewish.. irish.. catholic.. black.. hispanic.. asian.. in the words of kinky friedman "is there anyone i missed?"

no one on either side of this is ever going to say.. "oh.. ok..i see your point." but take a look at imustruth.org and see the discussion imus had with the widow of Bishop G.E. Patterson.. about a month before he was fired.

i think richard pryor and don imus were trying to prove a same point.. but i am white.. so i could be wrong. maybe i don't get it.

sorry. the address for imus truth is imustruth.com

in case anyone cares.

really mr. Lipez? you are white also?

[P6: For the last time, pay attention people. Mr. Lipez ain't here.]

but i am white.. so i could be wrong. maybe i don't get it.

That you felt the need to throw that in there shows there's a strong possibility that's the case. You got the causality wrong, though. It's your humanity that insures you could be wrong. 

This is destined to become one of those thread where all manner of irrelevant crap is weaved in until you're talking about everything but the topic.

I have said I have one question: why is it so important for you to defend Imus? It is OBVIOUSLY personal. You need to understand why you are compelled to do this...assuming you're not paid guerilla marketers.

I was serious upthread about the teaching moment. And they continue. I'll get into it later today...Dr. Rice is calling me right now...

Your use of 'Big' Words means only one thing.  You have a dictionary and thesaurus.  And if you have better things to do with your time.  Don't post any longer.

Maybe when you grow up????? Your already more then 2 years older then Don Imus, you will find peace in writing things about the true state of the Country.  With the likes of Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson stirring the pot it is no wonder racism is still alive and well.

Go here http://imustruth.typepad.com/index/ and read what Don and Deirde Imus do.  Maybe, just maybe you will become enlightened.

Though at your age I don't think so. 

As Prometheus6 "He stole the sacred fire from Zeus and the gods".  If we paraphrase that you stole the sacred rule of free speech from the People.

You are an antagonist.  Though for some odd reason your recognized by many Newspapers in the United States.  Guess I know where their heads are.

Mr. Lipez has a real name.  You will find out that he is 2 years older then Don Imus.  And is a far left author.  You will find his bio here.

http://members.aol.com/fanspage/richard.html

But he seems to censor people.  What does one expect from a man going on 70 year old.

Good God get a grip Richard. 

And a Happy Saturday to you. 

i am re-posting this. for some reason the first time i did.. it did not go through. or maybe this site is edited and the person running it does not want to continue the discussion..

i do not understand your question. "why is it so important for you to defend Imus?"

i listen regularly to imus. i believe him to be a good, decent human being. when someone writes something i disagree with, i should be able to articulate what i think. i think of imus in the same vein as richard pryor, chris rock, george carlin, d.l. hughley..

all funny, interesting people.

bvb720 is outta here.

Your use of 'Big' Words means only one thing.  You have a dictionary and thesaurus.  And if you have better things to do with your time.  Don't post any longer.

My site, pal. SO if ANYONE is gonna go, guess who it will be?

Oh. But you're gone already. Never mind. 

i am re-posting this. for some reason the first time i did.. it did not go through. or maybe this site is edited and the person running it does not want to continue the discussion..

First of all, all comments by the unregistered are moderated, and will wait until I get to them. If that were not the case, the Imus shock troopers would have already overrun the place.

i do not understand your question. "why is it so important for you to defend Imus?"

That is a problem. The question cannot be phrased more simply.

i listen regularly to imus. i believe him to be a good, decent human being. when someone writes something i disagree with, i should be able to articulate what i think.

You can. But if you feel the need to do it everywhere and every time Imus is mentioned, you're either a paid agent or are responding to something deeply personal. 

Anyone involved with the Tawana Brawley case will understand it was not a great time for Mr. Sharpton.

Maybe you would all like to read about this other antagonist.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Nobile

Good Luck Richard.  I can play your cat and mouse game forever.  Better start checking IP addresses 

DonImusFan is outta here.

And I'm closing the comments. Apparently Imus' drug addicted fans are showing up.

But you folk have given me a lot of grist for my mill. I thank you.