Because I don't think an appeal will work. So when the white mob comes to your door, fire off a round in the air, or the ground, somewhere away from them. They'll leave, or attack...and you can defend yourself if they attack.
The ground is better...no one gets hit when gravity finally gets the bullet.
Saturday was the fourth day of deliberations after a four-week trial for White, who said he feared for his family's safety when he brandished a gun in front of an angry group of white teenagers gathered outside his Miller Place home. White, 54, was convicted of shooting 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro Jr. to death on Aug. 9, 2006.
The jury told Kahn it was deadlocked on Friday afternoon; she told jurors to return Saturday. After they deliberated for more than 11 hours and sent out another note saying they could not agree, Kahn asked jurors to keep talking and indicated she would schedule deliberations on Sunday, with time off for religious services.
Many jurors appeared near tears; one began rocking back and forth with his head in his hands. The jury returned a guilty verdict an hour later.
Lawyers Consider Appeal, Citing Pressure on Jurors
By Amy Westfeld
Associated Press
Thursday, December 27, 2007; A10
NEW YORK, Dec. 26 -- A judge's decision to keep a stymied jury deliberating for 12 hours just days before Christmas could be grounds to overturn a manslaughter verdict against a black man convicted of shooting a white teenager, criminal defense lawyers said Wednesday.
The lawyers, who are not involved in the case, criticized Suffolk County Judge Barbara Kahn's unusual Saturday-night session for the Long Island jury that convicted John White, 54, in the encounter outside White's home.
Two jurors have said they had been leaning toward acquitting White but changed their votes after Kahn ordered jurors to keep deliberating Saturday night and indicated they would return on Sunday if they did not reach a verdict.
"They probably felt the judge was saying, 'Go along with the other jurors, or you're not going to get out of here,' " said one lawyer, Ed Hayes.
He and fellow lawyers Gerald Shargel and Gerald Lefcourt said it appeared that undue pressure was put on jurors. They said that they were surprised by the extended deliberations for the jury, which sent notes twice saying it was deadlocked, and that the judge's actions could present grounds for appeal.
A telephone message left at Kahn's chambers was not returned Wednesday. The Suffolk County District Attorney's Office also did not respond to a request for comment.
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NY Law?
Does New York have a "Make My Day" law?
Using a legally registered
Using a legally registered weapon to defend my home after warning shots I'd take my chances.
Read it all.
I just got finished going back through all the Newsday coverage of the trial. This is awful.
I can't imagine any circumstances in which a white man in John White's place would have been convicted of manslaghter. I also doubt a white man would be convicted of negligent homicide.
According to the coverage, the jury had to find that White acted "recklessly and without justification" to convict on the manslaughter charge. Now, I don't like guns. I don't own one and I have no use for them. But I don't see how anybody could say that Mr. White was reckless or unjustified to pick up a gun when five drunken, angry, hot-rodding white skinheads showed up on his driveway in the middle of the night.
(And no, I'm not exaggerating on the "skinhead" part--read all the stories and you'll see.)
Worst of all are the statements the parents of the dead teenager made to the press. They won't acknowledge that little Skippy holds any responsibility for what happened. They claim he wasn't racist--after all, he's half Puerto Rican. They say they'll forgive Mr. White--if only he'll ask. They say the verdict has "vindicated" their son. They say it's unfair and inflammatory for Mr. White to talk about a "lynch mob."
Un. Be. Leevable.
Where the hell is the NRA? Where are all the property rights advocates? This case is made to order for them!
Psh. Don't bother answering that--I know why they're not jumping to Mr. White's defense. God, this is awful.
I don't like guns either.
I don't like guns either. But as much as it would shock some of the gun fans that have passed through here I have never suggested people should not be able to own weapons. And I'm as big on self-defense as any Black person has ever been.
The boy should not have died, but he should not have been there either.
I swear, I wish I were called for the jury pool. I'd have lied to get on it. We'd still be in deliberations. There is no way this man should have been convicted.
I believe that.
"We'd still be in deliberations."
I believe that.
Quaker way.
As for your suggestion, P6, that'll work just fine. There's also an old tale told about the Quaker farmer who pointed his shotgun at a burglar and said, "Friend, I mean thee no harm. But thee should move because I mean to shoot where thee is standing."
I've been asking where the NRA is too.
Because this case is made for them.
Because this case is made
Because this case is made for them.
If the shooter had been white and the person who was killed black then this case might be made for the NRA.