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Prometheus 6

All respect and no restraint

Hillary can only heal the party by getting out of the way

Clinton's problem with African Americans?

Clinton's aides continue to argue she's the stronger nominee, because she continues to do well with the most important voters, crucial swing voters, who will make the difference in a race with John McCain in November, blue-collar and working-class voters, most of whom are white.

But how does a candidate claim to be the strongest and most electable nominee, when that candidate has very little support with some of the Democratic Party's most loyal followers, African-American voters? Wouldn't it be fair to say that ignoring that "demographic" tends to marginalize the significance of those voters, who also historically have felt somewhat taken for granted by Democrats?

When asked about the fact that Obama had won a significant, and apparently growing segment of the African-American community's votes, the response from Clinton's aides was to suggest that, by November, she would be able to heal whatever problems existed. And that she would be able to unite the party, in part, because of the Clinton family's many decades of such a positive record on matters of race and civil rights.

But when asked, well, wouldn't Obama enjoy the support of the segments of the Democratic electorate that have voted for Clinton -- those working-class white voters, the answer was full of doubt and concern. He's relatively new on the political scene. He's not very well known and doesn't have much of a track record, was the essence of their argument. Who knows what might happen?

Ideology... Ideology... Ideology

Basically, for HRC, it's about which industrial system is going to get state assistance and which one will be allowed to continue its decline. In 1992 I was a fairly recent ex-Republican, and I was really enthusiastic about Gov. Bill Clinton's "third way" for the Democratic Party. I figured, the first thing we have to do is rescue our industrial system.

People like Rep. Tsongas (D-MA) had pointed out that the traditional Democrats were insufficiently pro-industry, while the Republicans were just pro-business management, and certainly not pro-industry. Prof. Krugman was sort of an inheritor of the tradition that the Democratic Party should use social welfare as a trailing metric of state performance, but the real business at hand was to insure a permanent industrial basis for high wages and business support for education/infrastructure.

Even then, the problem was that for twenty years prior the GOP had been violently allergic to any government investment in the common weal. It was all "I got mine, f*** you." The Democrats were, in Tsongas' and Krugman's view, failing to fill the political space for a strong pro-industry party.

But instead, Sen. Hillary R. Clinton got totally sucked into the idea that defense contracts and forced saving (the "health insurance plan") were the way to do it. Also, the Democratic Party (in her view) could never, ever again be the vanguard of a peace movement. She thinks, or appears to think, that the Democratic Party has been suffering 28 years of punishment for Hubert Humphrey and George McGovern. No one pointed out to her that Friedrich Ebert and the SPD were totally supportive of the German WWI effort, and still suffered from Ludendorf's Dolchstosslegende. She still thinks that anyone who was prematurely against the Iraq War was a DFH.

Also, forgive me for having drunk anti-Clinton Kool-aid, but I strongly suspect she's been "turned" by her religious associations.

 

Clinton may have been turned

Clinton may have been turned by her religious associations, although I find it extremely hard to believe that she actually possesses any real religious sentiments, but she seems quite fixed to the notion that the black electorate is a fungible commodity. I don't know what Maggie Williams, Bob Johnson, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, Harold Ford, Jr. et al. are telling Clinton about the mood of black voters but she would be wise to ignore them.  

I think the "industry" in

I think the "industry" in pro-industry means something different than the "industry" in defense industry or insurance industry. Maybe she forgot that, which led to supporting specific activities only, rather than raising the capabilities in general.

Corporate Feminism

I have spent some time today reading the posts at the New York Times written  in response to Nick Kristoff's rather mild suggestion that Sr. Hillary should end her bid for the Democratic nomination. The response from self-identified women who claim to be Hillary supporters is by and large over the top. The animosity and disdain expressed about and toward Obama including his two daughters verges on - I hate to use this word when writing about women - hysteria. (Maybe "eyeball rolling madness" would be a better description.) I don't think there is any way for Obama or anyone else to repair anything between these particular white women and those of us who are supporting his candidacy. 

pt, his daughters are 9 and 6......what the hell could

they disdain THEM FOR?

Now, Michelle?

That's just bubbling underneath the surface..

But, HIS DAUGHTERS?

VOTE WHITE

If a guy like Mike Barnicle thinks the Clintons are playing the race card then they probably are.
 
 
"Now, faced with a mathematical mountain climb that even Stephen Hawking could not ascend, the Clintons -- and it is indeed both of them -- are just about to paste a bumper sticker on the rear of the collapsing vehicle that carries her campaign. It reads: VOTE WHITE.
 

"That's the underlying message propping up a failed candidate. Check it out, you superdelegates: the buttoned down black guy is having trouble with blue collar white guys so cast your vote with the white chick who has transformed herself into an arm-wrestling, shot and a beer, kitchen table advocate for the working class and now it's on to West Virginia and Kentucky where she'll prove it.

"So, after all the years they have been with us, after all the triumph and tastelessness, the accomplishments and embarrassments, we're about to watch them act out an updated, mixed gender re-make of Thelma and Louise with Bill behind the wheel, the two of them sharing a knowing look, a wink, in the front seat as they take the Democrat party right off the cliff, the whole thing crashing and burning in a racial divide both he and she sought to heal all those years ago in Little Rock and then Washington." 
 

"But, HIS DAUGHTERS?" They

"But, HIS DAUGHTERS?"

They will be adults one day and, in the minds of these women, will have privileges and perks that their children won't have.   

pt, I saw that last night and went DAMN

I was like...if Barnicle can see it AND ADMIT IT...

Then, you know it's just so ridiculously obvious.

OT: A couple

1. Donald Payne flipped to Obama

2. Harvey Weinstein threatened Nancy Pelosi over Michigan and Florida.

Harvey Weinstein

So Weinstein has gone from bullying directors, actors and other folks in the movie industry to jacking up politicians? So will Obama have to promise to obliterate 70 million Iranians to get folks like Weinstein to stand down? BTW, me and mine are not going to die for Israel.

In a radio address Hillary

In a radio address Hillary actually came right out and said that Barack should not be the nominee because he can't win white working-class voters.  When Chris Matthews pressed Wolfson on this statement, he started stuttering like a fool.  The only item in her political arsenal that Hillary can use to brandish her credentials among these voters is the color of her skin.  She never set out to be the champion of working-class America when she began her political career.  She reinforced this choice when sat on the board of the anti-union Walmart, supported NAFTA, and advised her husband during his presidency to turn his back on the working-class in order to curry favor with wine drinking liberals.  In effect she and her husband distanced themselves from the legacy of the New Deal in order to enhance their political fortunes.  It is only during this election cycle when she found it necessary to court this demographic given that it has been one of the most reliably racist voting groups in this country's history.  In pursuing their ambitions, the Clintons are destroying the best opportunity we've had since Bobby Kennedy to form a bi-racial coalition which unites the working-classes of all races.            

Hillary's latest eruption

Hillary's latest eruption makes me wonder again why so many folks ever saw the Clintons in such a favorable light from the get-go. I am not a Clinton-hater and I thought that from the very beginning of Bill's administration that he, Hillary and their team were subjected to a relentless level of attack from the right that was venal, mean-spirited and unprincipled.

That being said, however, I have always felt at an intuitive level that they were not on our side which is why I was dismayed when I saw black folks falling all over each other to get close to Bill and Hillary. Well, as "Dandy" Don Meredith used to sing, turn out the lights because the party is over. The Clinton have revealed themselves to be little more than plain old garden variety southern politicians circa 1980s style. They would never publicly use the word "nigras" but the sentiment is still there and ready to be tapped in a moment's notice.   

I am watching Andrea

I am watching Andrea Mitchell interview Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, a Clinton supporter. I won't waste words here. Tubbs-Jones is either delusional or ignorant or both. She passionately argues that Clinton is not playing the race card and blames the press for the flare up over Hillary's remarks in the USA Today interview.

Tubbs-Jones is a SAMBO MAMMY

Sorry, a White person couldn't use my Black ass this way. No way. No how. She is an embarrassment, and she needs a primary challenger.

Damn, rikyrah, you're harsh.

Damn, rikyrah, you're harsh. At this point, it may be called for. I've always said personal loyalty is an acceptable reason to support the Clintons. But that was before Billary went over the top.

I can't help but wonder what she expected to get from a Clinton presidency. 

"I can't help but wonder

"I can't help but wonder what she expected to get from a Clinton presidency."

Maybe a fashion accessories advisor because the frames on the eye glasses she was wearing today made her look like an alien bug invader.  

 

Heh. Obviously the time for

Heh.

Obviously the time for analysis is over. 

pt, you're cracking me up.

I didn't see the glasses for the hideous new hairdo. She's just, well....you know my feelings about her. I'm telling you, I'm willing to go to Ohio to volunteer for her primary challenger, that's how bad I believe she needs to go. The commercials write themselves.... Tubbs-Jones Greatest Mammy Hits for Hillary....we could loop THAT for her constituents. As I said before, NO White person could make me look that foolish without being under threat of a gun.

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