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Prometheus 6

All respect and no restraint

It's not scapegoating so much as setting them up in case a scapegoat is needed

Americans do not send their sons and daughters to war for other countries. That is why the Bush administration made up the Iraq-9/11 connection. Americans would not go to war for oil, or to remove "the dictator" or to strengthen Israel (all goals of the neoconservatives).

They will only go to war if they believe we are threatened. Israel knows that and has never asked the United States to fight its wars for it. So when Bush tells Israelis that he is ready for war on Israel's behalf, he is giving currency to an idea that harms Israel. And Jews.

We are a tiny minority in this country. Enough people believe the canard that America went to war in Iraq for Israel, a damnable lie. But that is precisely the rationale for war with Iran that Bush is giving by invoking the threat to Israel over and over again.

Is It Pandering to Jews or Scapegoating Them: Plus McCain's Sterling Endorsement of Talking to Hamas
By M.J. Rosenberg - May 16, 2008, 9:44AM

If I did not know better I would think that there is some conspiracy out there to produce an anti-Semitic backlash in a country, this country, that has been relatively free of that scourge since its founding.

Think about it. President Bush went to Israel to celebrate its 60th anniversary, a nice gesture and one in keeping with a President who personal proclivities are strongly pro-Israel even if his policies have not done Israel much good.

He used his visit there not just to salute our friend and ally but to promote confrontation with Iran, an idea that is utterly unpopular in the United States (to put it mildly) but is an applause producer in Israel. In fact, he went before the Israeli Knesset to denounce Americans who favor negotiations with Iran before resorting to war. He was clearly referring to Sen. Obama although Secretary of State Rice and Secretary of Defense Gates hold the same views and they work for Bush!

Bush told the Knesset: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along....We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided." We have an obligation to call this what it is - the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.'"

The Nazi Germany-Iran analogy is, of course, ridiculous. As Bush notes, the senator in question was speaking after Germany had invaded Poland and triggered World War II. It had already dismantled Czechoslovakia and annexed Austria. It was also the most powerful military force in Europe and, at that time, was militarily more powerful than the United States.

Bush is comparing Iran to that. What country has Iran invaded? We invaded the country next door but, so far as I know, Iran has invaded nobody, attacked nobody. It issues ugly threats and may be working on a nuclear weapon. The key word is "may" considering that our intelligence agencies found that it is not currently working on a bomb. (If it is, Israel will handle it. Israel is not Masada. It is not helpless).

Furthermore, Iran has repeatedly indicated a willingness to negotiate a "grand bargain" with us. If Bush really wanted to help Israel, he would at least consider the Iranian offer. Accept the Islamic regime and, in exchange, the Iranians stop meddling in Iraq, stop backing Hezbollah, stop threatening and libeling Israel, and allow inspection of its nuclear facilities to ensure that they are not being used for military purposes. Bush has refused even to discuss this offer.

In any case, Bush went to Israel --a country legitimately worried about what Iran may be up to -- to vehemently denounce Americans who are not ready to rush to war before trying negotiations. It is hard to imagine anything more unseemly. (Just imagine how Bush would holler if Bill Clinton denounced American policies in front of a foreign parliament).

 

Do I Smell a Monolith??

Them thar Ashkenazim ain't no monolith and ain't plenty of them runnin' wit them neocooks?  So, panderin' to some Ashkenazim usin' the words of some other Ashkenazim don't like what this fella wants it to sound like.  It don't sound a' t'all like what he say.  It sound like words being used by somebody smart enough to bet both sides against the middle. 

 

"King and chief probably had a big beef; 'Cause of that now I grit my teeth." - Chuck D.

Oh, Now I'm Laughing

"In any case, Bush went to Israel --a country legitimately worried about what Iran may be up to..."

ROTFLMBAO. 

"King and chief probably had a big beef; 'Cause of that now I grit my teeth." - Chuck D.

Temple3, I think you can get

Temple3, I think you can get more than your chucklesworth when you think of how this fella talked about how "legitimately worried" Israel is about Iran then felt like he'd talk about how our vaunted US intelligence declared that Iran is not currently working on the bomb and "if it is, Israel will handle it."

How exactly are you "worried" about some you can/will handle?  But the jokes (even though he was trying to be on the level) get worse: 

Asked why Iran is a threat to the United States, he says, "its leader wants to destroy Israel."

Imagine if FDR had said that the reason the United States had to prepare for war with Germany was to save the Jews of Europe.

Just that charge alone - coming from the likes of Charles Lindbergh and the America First Committee - made it impossible for Roosevelt to aid the allies the way he wanted to. Had Japan not attacked Pearl Harbor, he would never have been able to convince Americans to risk their kids in what was then called a "foreign war." If FDR had been perceived as having gone to war "for the Jews," Philip Roth's vision of pogroms here at home would not be relegated to the fiction section.

Americans do not send their sons and daughters to war for other countries. That is why the Bush administration made up the Iraq-9/11 connection. Americans would not go to war for oil, or to remove "the dictator" or to strengthen Israel (all goals of the neoconservatives).

They will only go to war if they believe we are threatened. Israel knows that and has never asked the United States to fight its wars for it. So when Bush tells Israelis that he is ready for war on Israel's behalf, he is giving currency to an idea that harms Israel. And Jews.

...All it does is make Americans wonder what is it with American Jews. Why do candidates pay so much attention to a tiny sliver of the electorate? And why does this sliver of the electorate care only about issues relating to Israel and not America?

People throw out words like "sacrosanct" and routinely make statements (in this ditto head nation) that sound just like Bush's remarks regarding Israel and this dude is worried (I suppose in his mind, "legitimately worried") about some kind of backlash against American Jews and question not where their politicians loyalties lie but question the Jews themselves.

I can't even get the laugh out because Barack Obama is having his loyalty (via flag pin patriotism) questioned right along with his wife and his dissed Rev. Wright (i.e. Black people individually and collectively) and no modern president ever fathomed insisting on their being a Black homeland that the US would not only have a "special relationship" with but the US would defend it as having non-negotiable, never-to-be-questioned "right to exist" no matter who got displaced in the creation of the country and what kind of decades long conflict it caused.

Yeah, chief...  You should be worried.

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