Prometheus 6

I had this post of yours in mind when I heard the news (text message woke me at 1:00 am Pacific!). It was much appreciated.

I was quite serious. I've been an Obama defender more than an Obama supporter. I'll be the same for Biden.

That's not new, though. If you search for Biden around here, you'll see I've always thought well of him (though a couple of the compliments were kind of backhanded). Dude's heart has always been in the right place, he's just always been really, really white about it. Still is. Frankly that puts you at risk of saying something incorrectly, if not incorrect. White folks' deal with interrace discussion is a lot like they're standing in the shower. You can come clean, but don't drop the soap!

Fortunately, when he votes it's from heart and thought rather than just mouth, like most Republicans. And truth, we haven't seen a slip from him (as opposed to something interpretable as a slip) in a long time. From here forward all he has to do is exhale fully before answering surprise questions.

...Dude! You are WAY too funny!

(...Alas, friend Kucinich, the 'New Age Visonary' is just a little TOO ahead of his time!)

Okay, Biden was my fourth pick after Webb, Kane and Richardson, but I'm cool with him. He adds experience and gives Obama the same kind of balance that LBJ gave Kennedy, plus he comes off as a REAL 'Regular Joe.'

(...He never really hemmed up Clarence Thomas like I thought he would during the confirmation hearings, but I REALLY felt like he was wanted to!)

i'd have been mildly bothered if edwards hadn't wrecked his chances.

so it begins.

of it the Dems had chosen ' the safe White guy', where we would be right now....shudder shudder shudder

no way in hell they were going to choose someone who started AND ended his campaign in new orleans.

one word you haven't heard this campaign: katrina

"one word you haven't heard this campaign: katrina"

True, but let's be real here. Edwards only recently adopted his populist stance. I didn't see any signs of it when he was Kerry's running mate.

Nobody wants to talk about Katrina. This is not a defense but a lament. The black bourgeoisie only speaks of the city's plight when it is attempting to indict the Bush Administration. Whenever I think of New Orleans the refrain from the old Negro spiritual that goes "way down yonder all by myself and I couldn't hear nobody pray" runs through my brain. Go see "Trouble the Water." It will make you laugh and cry.

Spence - what do you think of Edward Blakely? Send me a private message if you don't want to publicly comment.

On January 7, 2008, the Quaker in a Basement wrote:

My wife and I looked at the angles and we pick a longshot for Obama's veep: Joe Biden.

We figure it like this: Obama is such an outsider in Washington that he's going to need a proven hand who knows the ropes. So we pick Biden, not out of any particular affection for the guy--just because he plugs the gaps in Obama's resume.

Acorn, meet blind pig.

Meh, I liked Michael Moore's suggestion that Barack pick Caroline Kennedy for VP. THAT would have set this election on its ear. But I'm not so surprised at the Biden pick. The Dems continue circling the bowl before the final drop into the great cesspool of this presidential election cycle...

P6, you say it's been a long time since the last "slip?" What, 6-7 months? A year? Brace yourself for more.

Good guess, Quaker!

I never thought, however, that Obama needed Biden or anybody else to show him where the washrooms are located and where bodies are buried. I thought that somebody like Biden might make the Villagers relax and could persuade Billary's constituency of "hard working Americans, white Americans" to vote for Obama. Some sections of Delaware, for example, remind me of the rural south.

edwards was new to the game but you know what? it didn't really matter to me. no one goes out trolling for the poor vote. like you correctly note not even black middle class folk (and black folk outside of NO) don't really care about katrina. yesterday's news.

thanks for asking about blakely. he's a tried and true neoliberal, with international bonafides. for him NO represents an opportunity to start fresh without all those pesky folks that cosby talked about.

P6, you say it's been a long time since the last "slip?" What, 6-7 months? A year?

You tell me.

I like the pick. I'm thrilled he didn't pick Hillary. From what I understand, black folks make a large part of Biden's constituency, so foot-in-mouth aside, he's all right. At least he knows Iran wouldn't be training Al Queda.

And I hope this isn't off topic, but I can't understand why Billary supporters would really think he should picked them as coVPs. They claim if he even picked a woman besides Billary, it would've been a slap in the face. Now, on hillaryis44.com, they're showing some of McCain's new ads with what Biden said about Obama during the primaries. As though there wouldn't have been such ads of Obama had chosen Billary. Is the problem with my understanding or theirs?

Back on topic, I do think it's funny that the McCain camp is already planning to use primary statements against Obama-Biden. I know the McCain camp hasn't been to good on logic, but assuming they used logic in this instance, that would leave his choices to Pawlenty and Crist. I'm just crossing my fingers hoping he picks Romney. A McCain-Romney ticket would be a change ticket. They each change their minds by the day. That would be funny.

I thought that somebody like Biden might make the Villagers relax and could persuade Billary's constituency of "hard working Americans, white Americans" to vote for Obama. Some sections of Delaware, for example, remind me of the rural south.

I've seen comment upon comment from posters around saying, ' My mother...father...grandmother...etc. love Biden'.

Biden's good with the AARP crowd.

Biden's been in the Senate for 30 Years, and still is among the poorest Senators. I believe that says something positive about him.

So in waiting until this weekend to make it official, Obama was just timing his Biden. (Apologies, P6, I just had to.)

I believe Biden is definitely "white" enough and experienced enough to allay many fears. It's also distracted some of the punditocracy's focus on Clinton this and Clinton that, at least for a day or two. That will last, I believe, through the Sunday morning talk shows. Anyway, Biden seems to be someone willing to work with Obama and not do so begrudgingly. Can't say that about every other potential candidate. Will Bill and Hillary throw full unequivocal support behind Obama/Biden when they take the stage? Or will they be the new Dixiecrats and break away after the convention vote? Oh, sorry, it's all about them again. ;-)

P6, you say it's been a long time since the last "slip?" What, 6-7 months? A year?

You tell me.

Aww man, that means I'll have to pay attention to this fool. How about this one from TODAY according to (gasp) CBS News:

“My wife Jill, who you’ll meet soon, she also has her doctorate degree, which is a problem.”

Of course, context is king, which CBS failed to provide, naturally. The idea that the RNC has started a "... Biden 'gaffe' clock on its website... " is telling, though...

Pdub - I think the wife "doctorate degree" was a joke that went flat. Right before that, he said she was drop dead gorgeous. The whole "doctorage thing" could've alluded to the fact that the smarter the woman, the less they let men get away with. I don't know. I was just something stupid to have said, but it wasn't sexist by any means.

And can you imagine two women in the white house, one with a JD and one with a doctorate in education? Wow! They are women hear them roar!

Two women in the white house? You mean like Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente as the actual President and Vice President, instead of merely the wives of such? Yeah, I can imagine that... ;) I'm feeling the Green Party right about now.

ProfGeo:

(Apologies, P6, I just had to.)

No you didn't.

Pdub:

Aww man, that means I'll have to pay attention to this fool. 

You know you had to anyway, don't blame me for that. Understand though, if you bring me every bad joke you're going to look like the boy that cried wolf. Frankly, Biden will have a more disciplined team behind him than he's ever seen, much less worked with. That gaff clock could wind up in a Democratic ad about cynicism vs substance.

Stay on his ass, though. Keep him on his toes. Like I said about Dobson's reaction to Obama's evangelical outreach, if someone goes through all the trouble to nail the rhetoric, he's either really good or really bad. You have to setlle which it is for yourself.

Sorry, Pdub. I meant as first and second ladies.

McKinney isn't getting any coverage, and last I heard, she wasn't all that impressive.

They need to start calling McSame on all the double talk he's been getting a pass on. Why don't the Dems ever produce a film with him saying one thing then saying the opposite in the next clip, label him a waffler, senile double talk express. I'm pissed that they never ever pinned Bush down on film with all the lies he's ever told. How about the Keating 5 thing thats costing the U.S. tax payer to this day. In fact at the time they said your children's grandchildren. He's a crook, with hella baggage. Obama is answering for his tenuous connections to people while this dude is a proven thief.

Since white people can't stand a strong black man being strong and seeming to attack white people when he's too aggressive. Nows the time to get your money's worth out of Biden and let him do the white on white fighting.

That's okay, no1kstate, and you're right, the Green ticket isn't getting any msm coverage. Unfortunately, that's to be expected since the extreme right owns the media for the most part.

As far as being impressive, I just listened to her acceptance speech (which was prefaced by Clemente's acceptance of being tapped as VP), which was given at the Green Party convention back in July. I didn't even know they had their convention back then, and don't recall any news of it... but I'm not your normal news consumer... In any case, I was impressed by both women. (I'm not providing a link because I don't mean to openly "politick" on P6's site.)

P6: Don't worry, there'll be no (more) crying wolf, I was definitely reaching with that last post, sorry...! But something about that senator from the small but strangely significant state of Delaware just doesn't sit right with me.

(I'm not providing a link because I don't mean to openly "politick" on P6's site.)

You don't have to worry. All I insist on is you make your point without jacking folks on the site. Doing that (especially if it's me you're trying to jack) gives me free reign to abuse you and every issue you hold dear. Don't do that and you've got an opinion that counts as much as mine.

So if you got Green links you want to drop, go ahead. 

"I thought that somebody like Biden might make the Villagers relax and could persuade Billary's constituency of "hard working Americans, white Americans" to vote for Obama."

Well, there's that. But more to the point, Mr. Biden (if elected) will become the President of the Senate. He'll have the alliances and favors due to twist some arms and get Mr. Obama's agenda rammed down the throats of the obstructionists in the GOP.

"But more to the point, Mr. Biden (if elected) will become the President of the Senate. He'll have the alliances and favors due to twist some arms and get Mr. Obama's agenda rammed down the throats of the obstructionists in the GOP."

I agree. Good point.

I have a Biden story.

White male southern friend of mine. He's a Democrat, so he was going to vote for Obama regardless. From Virginia, Catholic, Irish.

Left me a message. Totally thrilled about Biden. Says that his 80something father is now on board for Obama too. ( I don't get Biden and the AARP crowd, but there it is AGAIN).

You know I had issues with Biden, but the one thing I believed, from the moment he stepped out on that stage - HE WON'T TRY AND DOUBLECROSS OBAMA.

I'm SO tired of Barack Obama being surrounded by folks with ' D' attached to their name, and we have to SEE whether or not they're REALLY on his side. Biden is going to help Barack get elected or die trying. And THAT is very important to me. Too many mofos in the Democratic Party are only half-heartedly supporting Barack, and I think it's time we took names.

The Clintonistas don't have SHIT to say about Biden. AS IF she remotely compares to him. ....NOT.

Pdub - When I get time, I'll have to check out the acceptance speeches myself.

Sandman - I'm looking forward to the white-on-white smackdown.

rik - The Clintonistas are talking smack about Biden. Oh, yes. They are that dull-minded.

no1kstate- Here's your extra comfy rinside lazyboy with ottoman, bottomless popcorn and milkduds included

Sandman - Here's a drink, my friend. To white-on-white smackdowns!

Cheers!

I am supporting Obama's decision to select Biden as his running mate but I am not enthralled about it. I think it is the best choice he could have made given the dynamics of this election. I think that Glenn Greenwald's analysis more closely represents my views about Biden etc.

It is well worth a read.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

I can tell the Republicans are in a fit about this pick. It must be one of the greatest picks of all time the way they're carrying on.

First, they pointed out how Biden had criticized Obama during the primaries. Now, they have an ad saying the reason Obama didn't pick Hillary was because she told the truth when she criticized him and "the truth hurts." I know the Biden ad is for everyone and the Hillary ad is for her supporters. But trying to reconcile these statements is giving me a headache.

About the video in the salon article - since when did "freedom of speech" mean you have to answer questions posed by a Fox correspondent?

Don't ask me why, but it occurs to me to very specifically point out the difference between opinion and rhetoric in this case.

funniest thing since Ron Paul people chased Hannity down the streets in New Hampshire.